tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post5782258921377842583..comments2023-10-10T12:29:32.468-04:00Comments on Bleier's Blog: No Planes on 911 – the two minute videoRonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-62179271898818063512015-08-19T18:03:39.752-04:002015-08-19T18:03:39.752-04:00HC again with my replies interleaved and I start.
...HC again with my replies interleaved and I start.<br /><br />Thanks for following up and addressing evidence issues. Replies in red or reddish.<br /><br />HC wrote:<br />> Ron every TV network in NY has video of the second plane hitting the south tower as the north tower burned. They all faked it in your story, and broadcast the fakes, all the separate networks, there was control and authority to force them to broadcast fakes, or to interfere with their streams, and the camera people on the spot reported no discrepancy with what was sent and what they saw. How can you entertain such nonsense for an instant?<br /><br />Only one network was required, although if more were necessary, I doubt it wd hv bn a problem. A related issue is the spokespeople who got on TV within a hour of the collapses who knew it was Bin Landen.<br />><br />> Your pilot is carried away in the excitement and making no sense. "At the peak of my proficiency as a pilot I know that I could not have done it on the first pass." That is, "get a Boeing 767 lined up with a 208 foot wide target and keep it lined up and hold his altitude at exactly 800 feet."<br />><br />> Runways are around 200 feet wide (or less). Pilots hold altitude all the time. What is the difficulty? Forget the airspeed "clacker". Who says they were going faster than 360 knots?<br />You got me on this one. I'd have to go and ask John. But one thing comes to mind is that cruising speed about 450 mph is faster than landing speed. Also the govt likes the fast speeds to explain the complete disintegration of the evidence of planes, wreckage etc fairy tale. Also, the Lear affidavit explains why amateur pilots wd hv trouble piloting a Boeing jet. And how did they manage to overwhelm the pilots and take care of all that blood, and read all that instrument panel..<br />><br />> In any event air traffic control has radar records for 9/11. The show the tracks of planes and can also indicate airspeed. Those records are presumably the basis of the NTSB report cited by the govt's 9/11 report, like note 47 in chap 1 of this.<br /><br />All I can think of on this is the theory of mid air swaps that i mention that were key to Operation Northwoods. Perhaps you also recall the guy who said he destroyed all the air traffic control tapes.<br />><br />> http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf<br />><br />> But the NTSB is just part of the grand plot, along with myriad federal agencies, airlines, media outlets, etc etc. No planes and nobody in the plot has leaked it. The no-plane truth is entirely the scoop of internet sleuths.<br />Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-32483946005258869952015-08-19T15:52:56.188-04:002015-08-19T15:52:56.188-04:00HL wrote:
Hi H...
We just got back from a Maine ...HL wrote:<br /><br />Hi H...<br /><br />We just got back from a Maine trip, after dropping Isaac off at Bard College on the Hudson. Things sure are peaceful and lovely outside of New York City in the summertime.<br /><br />Monica and Isaac were walking through Washington Square Park on September 11th, which is also Monica's birthday. It was Isaac's second day of pre-school, and the plane was extremely low, and flew right over their heads and into the WTC. Monica thought it was headed for our building, as the altitude was actually lower as it flew down fifth avenue and over the park. When the plane went in, she called me from a phone booth across the street, outside of Judson Church. Isaac was screaming, "Mommy, Mommy, there;'s a hole in the World Trade Center and wires are coming out!". I ran up to the roof, and saw a fireball explode out of the side of the other tower. I didn't actually see the second plane go in, and I asked the construction workers on the next rooftop what had just happened. "Another plane just went in", one of them said. A few minutes later, I ran down to sixth avenue, to get my kids, looked south, and saw the tower collapse before my eyes. Thousands of people were running at us, it was like a scene out of a biblical epic, and a woman fell at my feet sobbing. Monica pulled me back into the little lobby, for fear that we would be crushed.<br /><br />This hit me like the death of a parent. Monica was personally offended by the assertion that there were no planes on September 11th. There certainly was a plane which flew so low over Washington Square Park that it looked like it was going to take off the top of the trees, and she had to shield her son's eyes from the catastrophe which followed.<br /><br />These days, I have several friends who are trying to convince me of a conspiracy, or whatever. One of my oldest friends called me a "stupid fking a-hole" last week because I have not watched Jesse Ventura's videos. Good luck to Jesse Ventura....according to CNN, he is now licking the boots of Donald Trump, who I am far more concerned about at the moment.<br /><br />It's ironic that you and I saw the Towers going up on our lunch hours. You enlightened me during those days, and the towers were to be the crown of my downtown life. Now my son was a similar age when the new building was completed, and yet, everything is different. Everything seems ruined forever. Just the other day, a young man with a camera outside of my door told me that my neighborhood was just a bubble, and that everyone is trying to get out with a profit before the next plane hits. We all seem to have lost our way...our belief in lasting workmanship, and pride in our community. It doesn't much matter to me WHO flew those planes in......I just want to see people regain their faith, (not their religion...that's what caused this in the first place!) and their belief in the future.<br /><br />xxxH<br /><br /><br />Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-69586828240549048972015-08-19T13:54:31.529-04:002015-08-19T13:54:31.529-04:00HC wrote again.
Ron, there were eyewitnesses to t...HC wrote again.<br /><br />Ron, there were eyewitnesses to the aircraft crashing into the towers, and for that matter in DC. My cousin was driving by the Pentagon as the plane flew over the highway and struck the building. After the first tower in NY was struck, every tv news camera in the city was pointed at it. The arrival of the second plane was the most witnessed event in history. I cannot conceive how you can entertain for an instant all this no-plane conspiracy talk.Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-32898780160268313752015-08-19T13:38:49.538-04:002015-08-19T13:38:49.538-04:00DS wrote:
spent two minutes watching the video, ...DS wrote:<br /><br /> spent two minutes watching the video, then another five minutes locating the building the plane wing disappears behind.<br />I have highlighted in lavender (?) an approximate line of sight from the video.<br /> <br /> <br />Apple maps view of Whitehall building and Downtown Athletic Clubimage<br />The building that your video’s narrator claims is behind the WTCs is actually ‘The Downtown Club’ and is located about a half a mile in front of the WTCs from the video perspective.<br /> Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-22824685422685407412015-08-19T13:36:39.017-04:002015-08-19T13:36:39.017-04:00PT wrote:
Hi Ronald,
You might recall that I’ve be...PT wrote:<br />Hi Ronald,<br />You might recall that I’ve been in the no-plane, or no commercial plane, camp since the early days when Gerard Holmgren (RIP) was doing his analyses. But I have a question here.<br />You say, "a two minute video, which exposes the fakery of the video everyone saw of Flight 175 crashing into the South Tower.” I’ve not seen the perspective shown in the 2-minute one until now. The video "everyone saw” is the newscast one, possibly from a chopper, where the ‘plane’ comes in from the right, disappears behind the North Tower and we see the fireball bursting out. Now, if you mean exposing the fakery of that video, OK.<br />But the question is, how do we know that this rare 2-minute shot has not been fabricated to put the wing behind the building?<br />I’ve never understood the difficulty people have with the passenger question. I think it’s just a defensive reaction. A good friend of mine here knew personally someone who disappeared, and this made it difficult for him to assimilate the no-hijack theory. Well first, Holmgren proved that the two AA flights were not even scheduled that day. Also we know that 93 did not go down where claimed. So that’s 3 out of 4 right off the bat. But even if they were up there, one can easily surmise a hijack, just not by the alleged hijackers. Moreover, anyone willing to murder 3000 people in the towers (a drop in the bucket for the psychopaths) would have no compunction about finishing off the passengers, although they could have ended up as lab subjects/torture victims in some underground installation, or/and fodder for the satanic Elite.<br />I had a lot of email exchanges with Gerard, and one of them contained an extended passage of his thoughts on the passenger situation. I’m pretty sure I can put my fingers on it if you’d like to have it for reference. I read a section of it on my local-access cable TV show.<br /> P.Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-29886339545766488862015-08-18T23:48:20.255-04:002015-08-18T23:48:20.255-04:00Ronald responds to M.
Thanks M, also for remind...Ronald responds to M.<br /><br />Thanks M, also for reminding me of our previous tilting.<br />(I don’t suppose your archive still has copies of our previous? I searched mine with no luck.)<br />Yes, I agree there are holes, but which are the holes and which is intact fabric?<br />(Btw, I couldn’t help wondering if the phrase is an allusion to Morgan Reynolds’s article.)<br />After reading Holmgren and Reynolds I became a No Planer. Afterwards I kept finding evidence that there were no hijackings, no wreckage, no hijackers, no cell phone calls from the air; that two of the four planes never took off that day; that none of the four planes was taken out of service till at least 2004; I also found Lear’s testimony convincing that even the most experienced pilots would have the greatest possible difficulty trying to fly a plane into a skyscraper.<br />A sheer impossibility for amateurs, and certainly not something those who arranged for the controlled demolition would or could count on.<br />Nor was there any need – other than shock and awe – for the distraction of the planes.<br /> It was all missiles and controlled demolition.<br />But all this is evidence and we understand that in the real world, evidence doesn’t stack up well against ideology when it comes to such issues.<br />I’m curious about your comment about Oswald as second string. Douglass in JFK and the Unspeakable cites evidence that Oswald was a Kennedy fan and thru his FBI/CIA connections may have stopped the assassination attempt in Chicago in early November and who may have also tried to stop the Dallas events. It was because he was unreliable that he was expendable. <br />Best wishes,<br />RonaldRonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-20657093614819246262015-08-18T11:49:28.693-04:002015-08-18T11:49:28.693-04:00ML wrote:
Ronald,
I've written you before. Y...ML wrote:<br /><br />Ronald,<br /><br />I've written you before. You have a big problem with your no planes theory. This is not a video game. There are many people in a city of 8 million who actually saw the planes hit the buildings. I knew one of them who has since passed away. The no planes and no phone calls arguments are the weakest, most nonsensical that have been put out there, possibly to distract the public and paint other more serious researchers with the "crazy" brush.<br /><br />The most plausible conspiracy scenarios are either one of collusion, or foreknowledge and complacency. The hijackers could have been a second string (much as Lee Harvey Oswald who said he was a patsy) to afford the real perpetrators cover and deniability, or they could have played their part for the real masterminds, not cognizant of the whole picture. The foreknowledge theory would be parallel to FDR knowing ahead of time that Pearl Harbor might be attacked, but letting it happen to assure the US entered the war.<br /><br />There are just too many holes in the no planes bucket for anyone still to advance it. It is a fantasy that insults the intelligence.<br /><br />MRonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-81738875843028824442015-08-17T23:27:36.035-04:002015-08-17T23:27:36.035-04:00Ronald responds to MH
MH wrote:
:i have a neighbor...Ronald responds to MH<br />MH wrote:<br />:i have a neighbor who is a pilot--at lower altitudes cell phones work.<br /><br />R responds:<br />Yes, we agree. But even there, extended cell phone calls, 10-15-20 minutes or more would be problematic<br /><br />You wrote:<br />. people had videos of the second plane hitting the wtc.<br /><br />Ronald responds:<br />If any such videos have been posted on the internet, I’d like to see them.<br />I doubt such things exist because I’ve concluded that there were no plane crashes anywhere in the U.S. – maybe in the world – on 9.11.01.<br /><br />You wrote:<br />the remnant of the plane at the pentagon was visible. <br />R responds:<br />-In that case why won’t the government make any such evidence open and verifiable to the public<br /><br />You wrote:<br />most damning to your theory is the number of people who would have been needed to carry out such a hoax--and that no one spilled the beans in the following 14 years. <br /><br />R responds<br />After JFK the authorities learned that they didn’t have to murder witnesses since most witnesses would be ignored or marginalized. Any witnesses of stature would also understand the dangers of coming forward – and typically why would they want to? Can you imagine Bush-Cheney, Rumsfeld coming clean?. If others came forward – and some who were not part of the plot, like the firemen, WTC superintendent, did -- , it wouldn't matter if even many did believe them. . For example. A majority don’t believe the Warren Commission but since there are no levers of accountability, it doesn’t matter<br /><br />You write;<br />conspiracies happen--but get exposed in time by perpetrators. <br /><br />R responds<br />I suspect that the conspiracies that get exposed are the tip of the iceberg. Most we never know about, but others we can guess. Fpr example, who gave order that the Museum of Antiquities in Iraq would be ransacked and paid the various factions, and killed the responsible leaders so s to ensure that that there would be a civil war in Iraq in 2003?<br /> Nor does it matter that some of us understand since there’s no accountability.<br />Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-48803443465514839592015-08-17T17:57:56.560-04:002015-08-17T17:57:56.560-04:00HL wrote:
Very interesting, of course. Do you reca...HL wrote:<br />Very interesting, of course. Do you recall me asking you about Barbara Olson? Have you heard about Ted Olson's new wife, Lady Evelyn Booth? She looks remarkably like Barbara & has no traceable history or photos to speak of. Will history ever be changed? Probably not but the truth seekers crawl on. Thanks, HRonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-32903692411896895642015-08-17T17:56:01.103-04:002015-08-17T17:56:01.103-04:00HC wrote:
Ron, I've seen that video actually....HC wrote:<br /><br />Ron, I've seen that video actually. It would be trivial to figure out where the building, whose appearance in front of the wing, the narrator makes so much of, actually is, and prove (or disprove) what he says, but the narrator isn't interested. Contrary to his claim, it does not look "clearly behind the south tower". From the scale of the window-like openings at top it appears nearer.<br /><br />His other claim is equally incompetent. He assures us that an airplane wing cannot slice through the columns on the side of a building. I have heard of kinetic energy, if he has not, which makes mass in motion very energetic, who knows, powerful enough to slice thru the side of a building. He is more interested in leaping to the most exotic conclusion (CGI fake, plane fake) than accepting the mundane facts.<br /><br />Which aren't really mundane at all. US foreign policy encouraged a gang of terrorists to hijack airliners and destroy the largest buildings in our greatest city. I don't grasp why that isn't exotic and radical enough for many people.Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-80928614256104122612015-08-17T15:15:38.209-04:002015-08-17T15:15:38.209-04:00DH wrote:
stop sending me this shitDH wrote:<br /><br />stop sending me this shitRonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-49999177332517022912015-08-17T13:54:39.063-04:002015-08-17T13:54:39.063-04:00Bill Weinberg of WW4 Report wrote:
Sigh!Bill Weinberg of WW4 Report wrote:<br /><br />Sigh!Ronaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-79540011125137328152015-08-17T13:18:11.662-04:002015-08-17T13:18:11.662-04:00JB wrote:
Hi Ronald,
That video looked fake even...JB wrote:<br /><br />Hi Ronald,<br /><br />That video looked fake even before it hit the building. Given that there were obviously pre-planted explosives (by Urban Movers?), the planes were simply a necessary diversion. Operation Northwoods with no McNamara to stop it. Your dedication to this story is admirable but like the JFK assassination coverup the truth is destined to remain at the margins.<br /><br />best,<br /><br />JRonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30603050.post-17518549820990652912015-08-17T13:17:10.031-04:002015-08-17T13:17:10.031-04:00MH wrote:
we disagree on so many levels--i have a ...MH wrote:<br />we disagree on so many levels--i have a neighbor who is a pilot--at lower altitudes cell phones work. people had videos of the second plane hitting the wtc. the remnant of the plane at the pentagon was visible. most damning to your theory is the number of people who would have been needed to carry out such a hoax--and that no one spilled the beans in the following 14 years. the gulf of tonkin lie was outed in such a manner and many less were involved. <br />our government is pretty shitty--obama ain't as bad as you make out--all sides in the middle east commit crimes against humanity--all claim the other side started it. conspiracies happen--but get exposed in time by perpetrators. we're getting old--reserve your anger.<br /><br />mRonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894911763711058827noreply@blogger.com